RT @mechelle_68: @DavetheAtheist ..I hope you pointed out to @colston that the Josephus paragraph he linked was decided long ago by scholars to be a fraud.
Is there proof of this? You offered proof of Columbus not being a good example of Christianity but failed to offer a source for proving Josephus did not mention Jesus. Let me help you because, to some, the verdict is still out.
In place of Columbus, would you care to address the reputation of Søren Kierkegaard or Dietrich Bonhoeffer?
@colston ..read Dr. Jack Forbes
"Columbus and Other Cannibals"....Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the Uni… (cont) http://deck.ly/~XNXzl
What of the reputation of these individuals? Are any of them your friends?
Is The Amazing Atheist a good example of belief in nothing? Banned at McDonalds and Burger King? Really?
So far, there's been a lot of discussion attacking the character of some Christians but no so much showing evidence that there's no God.
Regarding this interesting fellow Sathya Sai Baba, did I miss his resurrection somewhere?
Mr. Obie: There exists just as much evidence for all other gods as there does for the Christian god
Mr. Obie, the God, the Creator of the Universe, is the same God as observed by Islam and Judaism. It's what you do with Jesus that makes a difference. You have already admitted, in a Tweet, that Jesus is real. Since we are discussing the reality of God, can you focus, please?
Mr. Obie, since you like science, how about this Oxford study?
Mr. Obie: Again, you bear false witness to your readers. I have offered evidence of the verifiable falsehood of the Bible. Science definitely shows the impossibility of such stories as the creation of the world and Noah's flood, and we have empirically tested the falsities of prayer.
In this discussion so far, I've seen no verifiable evidence of the falsehood of the Bible. In fact, you've told me not to use the Bible in defense of Christianity. With very few exceptions, the evidence I have pointed to you were external to the Bible.
So now, are we discussing the Bible or shall we continue with the extra-Biblical evidence of the Creator of the Universe, God, the Father of Jesus who is called the Christ?
Mr. Obie, Your "Pick the date. I will pick the place." argument is irrelevant ...
It is relevant. You have produced no evidence to refute anything I've said so far. This would lead to a conclusion that you have no proof to show why you believe in nothing. So far, only @mechelle_68 has offered up reasons why Columbus is not a good example of Christianity but nothing about why God is not God.
Your argument is a smoke screen since you admit you will be heading to Europe in 48 hours.
So you can make it to Europe but you can't make it to a debate, even when you get to pick the date for it? Are you following the pattern of Richard Dawkins?
Your assumptions were flawed about the debate. It IS a matter of faith in the challenge. You have faith to get to Europe but you lack the faith to argue for a belief in nothing.
You asked if I lived in Houston. I said I did not but I have been there. You assumed that the debate would be face to face (we are doing pretty good right here). You assumed that the place would not be Houston. Your entire thought process, including the rejection of God, appears to be based on assumptions, not reality. The conclusion would be that your thought processes regarding God is based on flawed assumptions, rather than examination of clear evidence.
By the way, when you go to the airport, if someone's driving you, it's hard to get out of the drop off lane at Hobby when there's no one directing traffic at the crosswalk. It's probably the other airport from which you will be leaving though. Both offer a free chapel for your visit to experience calm.
Mr. Obie: However, I will assert here that it is possible to know that the Abrahamic, monotheistic god does not exist
Interesting that you are going to assert a negative when you tweeted weeks ago that was not possible.
Prove it.
Disprove the witnesses across the space and time who testify today and from the grave their experience of God. Show me the body of Jesus who is called the Christ. With Corpus Christi, you are able to disprove both the resurrection and the ascension.
Pascal's Wager is a good argument because you've yet to disprove God. Are you saying that a scientist could be wrong?
Mr. Obie: The sole reason for evangelistic and humanitarian work through the church is want of money. There is a reason that one associates evangelism with large churches, flat screen TVs, and coffee bars. Church has long been a source of oppression and income, and this concept has not changed today.
I have never asserted that the church as practiced in America is a perfect institution. I will assert that the Church that Jesus died to redeem is a different animal from what you may find in Houston.
This does not refute the fact that people have died for their faith. They give, often sacrificially, for a belief.
Furthermore, just like your trip to Europe costs something, so does the work of the church or Church. You can establish your own measure of value of what goes on around you but God establishes the ultimate value based on what He has said the Christian should do. After all, the church is not asking YOU for money, since you obviously don't believe. :)
Bottom line is His Son, Jesus, said as the prime directive that we should Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.
Frequently, what you see is not what Jesus died to give. When you find a congregation teaching that, there's home, my friend.
As the pollster Barna said recently, "We have to get Christians to think like Jesus." The sad indictment, in my opinion, is that religious people are not necessarily Christian.
All this does not negate God. It shows that man does not get God right.
Reader, if you are scoring this discussion, you would have to give this:
@colston @DavetheAtheist and others
Proof of God through
Extra-Biblical evidence x
Writings of Josephus, x
Origen, Pliny, Galen, x
Lucius, Thallus, Flavius, x
the Qur'an, and the x
centuries of Christians x
that followed the teaching x
of Jesus x Attempted to discredit Josephus
Early Church fathers x
Columbus Poor example of Christianity
Clearly, the atheist argument against God is flawed. There is more, outside the Bible, to support belief than the reader would be lead to believe.
Sadly, it is religious people who give God a bad name or, as a Tweet goes:
RT @wendyglosser: #Christians, we are called to be ambassadors. Are you making our God look good? #Jesus http://bit.ly/fqIzZ3
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